Commons talk:Copyright rules by territory/Greece

An opinion

I understand "occasional/casual reproduction and communication by the mass media of images of architectural works, etc" should be taken as these works cannot be photographed freely, but if the photographer is photographing a person or an "event" present/occurring in front of these works (for example a demonstration or cultural activity -like the one in File:Street dance in 2018 next to the 11th century Byzantine Church of Panagia Kapnikarea.jpg- or a traffic accident etc) then this "occasional image" is alright. An opinion only... --E4024 (talk) 19:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

• A lot of countries allow "incidental reproduction" by the media where the copyrighted work is not the main subject. In Greece the photographer would own copyright in the photograph, which would expire 70 years after their death. It could be uploaded by the photographer under a free license, but the concern in Commons would be whether someone could take the photograph and crop it down so the protected work becomes the main subject. I would say that if the protected work is partially obscured and the photo is free then we should be o.k. My opinion only. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

  @Aymatth2@E4024 the 2023 version uses the simplified term "occasional", removing "casual". Still not suitable as the FoP provision is good for traditional media only, not Internet or I.T. media (obsolescence made legal by law).

  I'm thinking of two meanings for "occasional": perhaps their version of incidental (although it would have been better if they used "accidental", "minor", or "nonessential", though these words may not be fit for use in laws). Another and (the more probable one), is that it denotes sporadic or irregularity. Meaning, TV broadcasters and filmmakers can freely use copyrighted Greek architecture and public art, but not always. There must be less exposure of such works so as to become "occasional". It is somehow a slight trouble for traditional media too: they must be careful to not always exhibit works in a regular basis. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  It is a bit obscure, but "by the mass media" may be the more important part. TV stations, newspapers, etc. can occasionally reproduce a work, but nobody else can. That means images of protected work made by the mass media cannot be freely reproduced, even if they waive copyright. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

tvar ?

On April 2020 I updat4ed the Greek Law on monuments. I recall I had checked the links I placed and that they worked well. Today, when I tried to click on [https://www.culture.gov.gr/DocLib/g_56790.pdf Ministerial Decision published in Government Gazette issue B-3046/2011-12-30]/ I was redirected here: https://www.e-nomothesia.gr/kat-arxaiotites/koine-upourgike-apophase-356481-254593-7509-2927-2019.html. This can be checked in this revision of the page. I have replaced the tvar with a direct link but it is not that pretty. If someone knows how, please correct it.--ManosHacker (talk) 15:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

State property

Well, the new law says that the non-commercial prohibitions apply to property belonging to the Greek State, ie. everything before 1453 according to the law 3028/2002 and some newer buildings that are state property. This must be added as a clarification. --C messier (talk) 08:26, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

To be more precise, the law applies to all monuments before 1830 as belongings of the Greek State, except those up to year 1453 that either belong to the Church or have been properly claimed for ownership by others.--ManosHacker (talk) 14:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The fact is that these are Non-copyright restrictions and not claims of copyright from the state (that would be part of Law 2121/93 and also breaking the Berne convention). Specifically they are "House rules" such as Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#MUSEUM. Geraki ^T_L^G 09:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Everyone has to pay, even outside Greece.--ManosHacker (talk) 17:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

a) This is clearly outdated, b) even when it was in use it is highly debetable if it was really valid out of Greek jurisdiction, c) still a "traffic" or "circulation" charge, not copyright fee. Geraki ^T_L^G 12:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)